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  1. Lachie
    Lachie

    Was lieing her thinking this was so wrong…….

  2. Nami
    Nami

    Okay, seriously? Could you make the straight people any more Complete Monsters? There’s a difference between telling these stories and bashing straight people. I’m sorry, I love this series but I reject such cardboard villia s

    • Anonymous
      Anonymous

      Because no trans people have ever been attacked for being who they are…. right?

      Also, have you completely forgotten about Jamie? Last I checked he seems pretty straight.

    • Sam
      Sam

      And what about Charlie and Steve’s parents? Charlie is straight, since gender is different from sexuality, and Steve’s parents seem all right, as well as all the background straight characters that pop up from time to time.

      • Opheliac
        Opheliac

        Charlie is bisexual, actually. But seriously, OP, you’re a privileged asshole. There are many good straight characters in Khaos, and don’t pretend assfucks like Natalie don’t exist, because they fucking do.

        • Sam
          Sam

          Sorry, realized my mistake just after I posted it.

    • Lenn
      Lenn

      Oh for the love of…I am so sick and tired of attitudes like this. “You’re against rape and domestic violence, so you must hate men.” “You’re in love with a black man, so you must hate white men.” “You’re against homophobia and sexuality-based hate crimes, so you must hate straight people.” This is a portrayal of homophobes and transphobes, not straight-bashing! Here I thought I’d only encounter that kind of tunnel vision as a feminist, but holy lord, was that short-sighted of me.

      Please take another look at the comic. Did you notice that the straight teacher tried to save them? That Steve’s parents did nothing but support and try to help their son, even though they were stressed out themselves? Did you notice Alex’s parents doing everything they could to help him get a boyfriend? Straight people are not bashed in this–homophobes are, and even they are sometimes given the benefit of the doubt (Jamie.)

      • Alchemist
        Alchemist

        Don’t be so harsh Lenn, there ought to be *some* balance in any story with this many characters to stop the whole thing descending into a hate-wank, and there’s enough of those on the internet to cater for every particular group. I think khaos is fine for this, mainly because of the parents who in Nami’s defense are easy to forget, like real parents of teenagers they blend into the background and are unappreciated.

    • Jesus Juice
      Jesus Juice

      Nami, why are you assuming these people represent all straight people? And for all we know, some or all of these people might be suffering from internalized homophobia.

    • Spinmuffins
      Spinmuffins

      No, I agree with half of what the OP said. This does make the straight people look like monsters and two dimensional villains. Not that there aren’t any better representations of straight, cisgendered people – Jamie is indeed one example, though he was a bully he had an actual “motivation” of sorts rather than just doing things because “i’m so mean, gay people must die”.
      Watch a movie like “boys don’t cry” and you’ll have a better idea of how this could have been better executed.

      I wouldn’t recommend watching it though. It is the most hurtful thing I have ever watched….
      But to sum it up, gay/trans bashing is not this planned out and villanous. It’s done out of shock/horror, it’s done “for laughs” and though it is done simply because someone is being weird, it would not be this planned out

      Especially not in broad daylight!
      This is in the morning on the way to school!

      • Habbap
        Habbap

        Late reply

        That’s a pretty jaded point of view Spin. Do you really think there are never planned attacks on people from our community in broad daylight? Try living in the bible belt and going to a high school of horror stories.. that shit does happen, and it’s disturbing just how often it happens, but more so how little we actually hear about it. Like it or not, the cold hard reality is that at the age Charlie and Tom are at at this point in the story, a lot of kids in high school that they’d be around would likely lash out and ridicule them or do worse for any number of reasons. And again, it’s not so hard to believe that they’d plan an attack where they couldn’t be stopped by teachers etc.

        Nami (OP), I happen to think that the automatic assumption that all the kids brutalizing them are straight is a bigger indicator of your own self delusions. Who’s to say that Natalie doesn’t want to be Nathan and so is jealous of Tom and Charlie’s courage, or that she finds Charlie attractive as a woman, or Tom attractive as a man and that scares her? There’s all kinds of plausible explanations for why her or any of the other kids are lashing out and furthering the issue by taking the time to plot an attack on them, and to assume they’re all straight just because they’re doing it is as closed minded as you think Tab is being in writing this part of the story. Seriously… before you go off on a tangent about how everyone else is clearly so intolerant, why don’t you double check the logic you’re using to make such claims, and in doing so make sure you’re not being just as bad as you assume the accused to be?

        -sigh- How ignorant some people are of their own ignorance is utterly shocking.

  3. Sarah
    Sarah

    Natalie’s face in that last panel, coupled with how I imagine she sounds in my head, scares the shit out of me.

  4. J

    I just keep reading this page (and the previous one) over and over again… It’s almost like it’s triggering, but really it’s just like I can’t even comprehend…

  5. Chloe
    Chloe

    I don’t understand… I just why would Natalie ever say something like “rape her.” I get that she is phobic, but rape? I mean, there must be something seriously wrong with her if she’s even thinking like that. And I don’t just mean something as in her homophobic-ness, but her brain. There has to be some serious mental disorder or SOMEthing, for her to say that.

    Has she looked at herself? I don’t know if she has noticed this, but she has female parts too. As a female, I don’t see how she can say that, and not think of what could happen to HER. Does she realize she can be raped too?

    I just… can’t even comprehend.
    I know it’s fiction, but I also know that people like this exist. And that scares the shit out of me.

    • The Guy You Still Are Waiting For
      The Guy You Still Are Waiting For

      Homophobia/Transphobia, why do you think is considered a disease?, at least by all most of the LGTB community (srry i did not do the research).

    • ali
      ali

      This is a power situation. Tom is an abomination to Natalie; less than human, even. A freak. Just lesbian women are raped to ‘turn them straight’, Natalie wants Tom to be forcibly reminded that she is (biologically) a woman. She is so fundamentally unable to grasp anything outside of the heternormative gender binary that when faced with such cases, she tries to assert control and force everything to be the way it ‘should’ be. There are few things more controlling and forceful than rape. I doubt that the connection to her own personal situation has even occurred to her. She is disgracefully ignorant, after all.

      • ali
        ali

        *just as

        • Eliot
          Eliot

          Wants Tom to be reminded that HE is biologically a woman.

          • Silas
            Silas

            that he has a vagina*. you can’t biologically BE a gender, but you can biologically be a sex. even then sex is very complex and not as simple as “male/female”.

            tom has a vagina — though he may call it something else, so a better way of putting it might be “tom has what is socially viewed as a vagina.” he is not a woman, he is not “biologically a woman”, and you might say “biologically female” but that can be just as offensive.

  6. Taotu
    Taotu

    The statement “show her what it’s like to be a girl” in reference to rape is a really alarming thing for a young woman to say. I can’t help wondering what’s happened to Natalie, even though she is horrible.

  7. Brendon
    Brendon

    Oh god, the thing with tom(?) is freaking me out. I’m transgendered and my biggest fear is to be attacked and raped like that.

  8. Jayden
    Jayden

    Why people comment on this saying that the writer is trying to bash straight people is beyond me!

    I am a trans man and shit like this does happen. Luckily i have never had anything as voilent as that happen to me but i have had transphobic abuse :/

    I do find it hard to read things like this but at the same time it shows people that things like this are unfortunutly very real and not just fictional.

  9. kajapien
    kajapien

    Im not trans, but i have had enough homophobic abuse applied to me to know that people that nuts do exist. I can handle myself well enough, but against a group and having been suprised like that before, its actually really frightening to see what people not in their right mind will do when they have an upper hand on someone they consider less than human, even in broad daylight and in public.

  10. Adrianthefagboy
    Adrianthefagboy

    “Show her what it’s like to be a girl”, correct me if I’m wrong but I don’t think being a woman instantly implies being a slave to men and our penises.

  11. Diego
    Diego

    “Fucking rape her-show her what it’s like to be a girl” …says a Girl. Oh, but that’s of course what it’s like being a girl, hagin’ around, gettin’ raped once in a while. WTF.

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